westurner · 103 points · 37 comments · 9 hours ago · Open original
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MAmapontosevenths4 hours ago
The author describes the model's pairing operation as:
(zt,zt+Delta) where Delta is a positive offset.
This means the model is using the next token to predict the next token. It should have been (zt,zt-Delta), or it's cheating.
I don't know if that's just the paper, or if the code was also b0rk3d.
CHcharcircuit7 hours ago
Scale is all you need.
That's why you see other attention free large language models work. But in a world with constraints on time and compute the architecture does matter because scaling does have a cost (which is dropping)
CHchiharukiryu1 hour ago
lmao seems just computing power arms race >>> specific algorithm
GNgnabgib9 hours ago
(2025)
OOoofbey4 hours ago
They only demonstrate this idea on a laughably small toy problem. An 18M parameter model (which they call “moderate”) on an ancient dataset proves exactly nothing. Plenty of bad ideas appear to work at trivial scale.
Arguably the most important aspect of transformers is that it allowed easy training of arbitrarily large models.
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The author describes the model's pairing operation as: (zt,zt+Delta) where Delta is a positive offset. This means the model is using the next token to predict the next token. It should have been (zt,zt-Delta), or it's cheating. I don't know if that's just the paper, or if the code was also b0rk3d.
Scale is all you need. That's why you see other attention free large language models work. But in a world with constraints on time and compute the architecture does matter because scaling does have a cost (which is dropping)
lmao seems just computing power arms race >>> specific algorithm
(2025)
They only demonstrate this idea on a laughably small toy problem. An 18M parameter model (which they call “moderate”) on an ancient dataset proves exactly nothing. Plenty of bad ideas appear to work at trivial scale. Arguably the most important aspect of transformers is that it allowed easy training of arbitrarily large models.