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Attention Is Not What You Need (2025)

westurner · 103 points · 37 comments · 9 hours ago · Open original

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mapontosevenths4 hours ago

The author describes the model's pairing operation as: (zt,zt+Delta) where Delta is a positive offset. This means the model is using the next token to predict the next token. It should have been (zt,zt-Delta), or it's cheating. I don't know if that's just the paper, or if the code was also b0rk3d.

charcircuit7 hours ago

Scale is all you need. That's why you see other attention free large language models work. But in a world with constraints on time and compute the architecture does matter because scaling does have a cost (which is dropping)

chiharukiryu1 hour ago

lmao seems just computing power arms race >>> specific algorithm

gnabgib9 hours ago

(2025)

oofbey4 hours ago

They only demonstrate this idea on a laughably small toy problem. An 18M parameter model (which they call “moderate”) on an ancient dataset proves exactly nothing. Plenty of bad ideas appear to work at trivial scale. Arguably the most important aspect of transformers is that it allowed easy training of arbitrarily large models.